| Allen Ginsberg: How’d you people live out there in Oklahoma? |
| Did you live
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| pretty well?
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| Woody Guthrie: Well, uh…
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| AG: Have enough to eat? |
| And a place to sleep? |
| How was it?
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| WG: I don’t know, Allen. |
| To start with, I was a little bit different from…
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| I wasn’t in the class that John Steinbeck called the «Okies» because cause my
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| dad, to start with, was worth about thirty-five or forty thousand dollars and
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| he had everything hunky dory. |
| Then he started to have a little bit of bad luck;
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| in fact, our whole family had a little bit of it. |
| I don’t know whether it’s
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| worth talking about or not. |
| I never do talk it much. |
| But then this six-bedroom
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| house burned down that I told you about, just a day or two after it was built.
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| It was supposed to be one of the biggest, finest in that whole country.
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| Well right after that, my fourteen-year-old sister either set herself afire or
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| caught afire accidentally. |
| There’s two different stories got out about it.
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| In a way, she was having a little difficulty with her schoolwork,
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| and she had to stay home and do some work, and she caught afire while she was
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| doing some ironing that afternoon on the old kerosene stove. |
| It was highly
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| unsafe and highly uncertain in them days, and this one blowed up,
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| caught her afire and she run around the house about twice before anybody could
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| catch her. |
| Next day, she died. |
| And my mother, that was a little bit too much
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| for her nerves or something. |
| I don’t know exactly how it was. |
| But anyway,
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| my mother died in the insane asylum of Norman, Oklahoma. |
| Then, about that same
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| time, my father mysteriously, for some reason or another, caught afire.
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| There’s a lot of people who say he set hisself afire. |
| They say that he caught
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| afire accidentally. |
| I always will think that he done it on purpose because he’d
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| lost all his money, lost his hog ranch. |
| He used to raise some of the best
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| Poland, China, pure-blood hogs in that whole country and had something proud to
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| work for and felt like that he was part of the world and that he was doing some
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| good and working hard and hauling up brothers and sisters. |
| I got another sister
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| and two brothers, and they all felt pretty good until all these things happened
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| and they found theirselves scattered. |
| All us kids had to scatter out and be
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| adopted to different families. |
| I lived with a family of people who was eleven
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| of us. |
| We lived in a little two-room shack. |
| I lived with these people several
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| years. |
| Their name was Sam White and his family and he still lives within about
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| a half a block of the same old house that he lived in in them days.
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| And in the old house with eleven of us sleeping in two rooms, why,
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| we had two or three beds, you know, and so we’d sleep, some of us at the head
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| and some of us at the foot. |
| And had everybody’s feet and everybody’s faces,
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| you know how that is. |
| Then after that, I don’t know. |
| I kinda took to the road.
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| I hit the road one day, the first day that I ever hit the highway,
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| to be what’s called a ramblin' man, or a hobo, or a tramp. |
| It was in 1927…
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| AG: How old were you then?
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| WG: At that time, I was about seventeen years old
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| AG: What caused you to leave on that particular day, at that particular time?
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| Do you remember? |
| Or is it something you don’t want to talk about?
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| WG: Well, I was adopted then by another family of people that had a little more
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| money and a little more everything, and was members of the very high and
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| important lodges around over town, and they said it was a pity that so many of
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| us had to live the way we did and not know where our next bite was coming from.
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| So they said that in order to relieve me and the suffering of this family too
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| that I was living with that they’d take me up to their house and I could live
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| with them. |
| So I went up and lived with them, and they had a little old bantam
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| hen. |
| It sat upon that icebox and roosted out there like she owned that whole
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| part of town and my job, mainly, while I was living with that family of people,
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| was to keep track of that cursed bantam hen. |
| I’d have to go find her eggs,
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| where she’d laid the egg, what time of day she’d laid the egg, bring the egg |
| in; |
| I’d sort the egg, lay the egg up, tell the lady about the egg,
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| then go show her the hen, and then she’d go out and pet the hen.
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| And then when night’d come again I’d have to go get the hen again and set her
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| above the icebox to where she could be safe from all harm. |
| And I used to carry
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| her hay fourteen blocks across town from a table in a tall sack.
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| I’d have to make a trip or two every month, by George, to get that hay for the
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| bantam hen. |
| So I thought well, hell’s bells, rather than be a chambermaid to a
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| bantam hen, ladies and gentlemen, I’m gonna take to the highways.
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| So I went to Galveston, Texas. |
| Went down to see the Gulf of Mexico and the
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| ocean and all such stuff as that. |
| And also, I knew some people down there and
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| pulled figs in all them orchards down in that country and helped drill water
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| wells and irrigated strawberries and helped a carpenter down there to tear down
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| a whole bunch of houses and post a bunch of land off. |
| And at that time,
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| I was about eighteen |